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		<title>By: lee in irvine</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee in irvine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it's wise to embrace increasing March sales as an indicator of possible strength, then discount the FACT that home sales always increase at this time of the year.

Maybe if March sales had come in at the 20 year average or even slightly below the average, but they didn't.  They actually came in 59.2% below the average March since 1988.

This will almost certainly be the worst year for Orange County RE sales, since DataQuick started tracking these numbers 20 years ago.  Quite alarming in the face of a once booming economy and population increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wise to embrace increasing March sales as an indicator of possible strength, then discount the FACT that home sales always increase at this time of the year.</p>
<p>Maybe if March sales had come in at the 20 year average or even slightly below the average, but they didn&#8217;t.  They actually came in 59.2% below the average March since 1988.</p>
<p>This will almost certainly be the worst year for Orange County RE sales, since DataQuick started tracking these numbers 20 years ago.  Quite alarming in the face of a once booming economy and population increases.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Newman and David Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Newman and David Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the input, lee.  Hopefully we can clarify a couple of things.

First, although some Realtors may think they can "jaw" the market up, the reality is market forces are beyond your or my control.  As real estate agents, we really need the market to find whatever a normal level would be.   The "best" market, from an agent's viewpoint, is a neutral market where prices are where they should be and there's about an equal number of sellers and buyers.

Second, we feel that year-over-year and month-over-month statistics are both useful and have their place.  You can't get the big picture without both.  Month-over-month is more current, but, as you correctly pointed out, Y-o-Y puts M-o-M in perspective.

Yes, March closings were up from February, but they were up only half as much as they would be in an "average" market.

We're still in a huge downturn, but we may be nearing the bottom.  Or this may just be a typical early spring bump.

We work with both buyers and sellers, and we're not trying to push the market one way or another.  Just trying to give our perspective on what's going on in  Orange County, Los Angeles County, Lakewood, Long Beach, Los Alamitos, Cypress, and throughout Southern California.  Even in Irvine.

Feedback like yours helps us clarify things.  Thanks, Lee.

Perhaps we've overemphasized month-over-month in this post because everyone else was primarily focused on year-over-year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the input, lee.  Hopefully we can clarify a couple of things.</p>
<p>First, although some Realtors may think they can &#8220;jaw&#8221; the market up, the reality is market forces are beyond your or my control.  As real estate agents, we really need the market to find whatever a normal level would be.   The &#8220;best&#8221; market, from an agent&#8217;s viewpoint, is a neutral market where prices are where they should be and there&#8217;s about an equal number of sellers and buyers.</p>
<p>Second, we feel that year-over-year and month-over-month statistics are both useful and have their place.  You can&#8217;t get the big picture without both.  Month-over-month is more current, but, as you correctly pointed out, Y-o-Y puts M-o-M in perspective.</p>
<p>Yes, March closings were up from February, but they were up only half as much as they would be in an &#8220;average&#8221; market.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still in a huge downturn, but we may be nearing the bottom.  Or this may just be a typical early spring bump.</p>
<p>We work with both buyers and sellers, and we&#8217;re not trying to push the market one way or another.  Just trying to give our perspective on what&#8217;s going on in  Orange County, Los Angeles County, Lakewood, Long Beach, Los Alamitos, Cypress, and throughout Southern California.  Even in Irvine.</p>
<p>Feedback like yours helps us clarify things.  Thanks, Lee.</p>
<p>Perhaps we&#8217;ve overemphasized month-over-month in this post because everyone else was primarily focused on year-over-year.</p>
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		<title>By: lee in irvine</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee in irvine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand why Realtors would try to place a positive light on this report.  However, I must restate the obvious; when March home sales are adjusted for seasonality, they couldn't be much worse.  In fact, home sales rose in only 2 OC zip codes (92865 &amp; 92805) on a YoY basis in March.

The DQ median indicates that single family homes declined 5k in March ... there was no &lt;i&gt;"modest firming"&lt;/i&gt; for this class of home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why Realtors would try to place a positive light on this report.  However, I must restate the obvious; when March home sales are adjusted for seasonality, they couldn&#8217;t be much worse.  In fact, home sales rose in only 2 OC zip codes (92865 &amp; 92805) on a YoY basis in March.</p>
<p>The DQ median indicates that single family homes declined 5k in March &#8230; there was no <i>&#8220;modest firming&#8221;</i> for this class of home.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Newman and Dave Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Newman and Dave Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead, for me, was 1989, during the build-up to Gulf War 1.  No buyers--zip, nada.  I had several clients take their homes off the market.

There are plenty of buyers out there right now, actually.  Our biggest problem has more to do with the lenders.  We sold our last listing in 3 days.

Properly staged, priced, and marketed homes are selling.  See"&lt;a href="http://socalrealestatenews.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/how-to-sell-your-property-for-top-dollar-in-30-days-in-any-market/" rel="nofollow"&gt;How to Sell Your Southern California home for top dollar in 30 days.&lt;/a&gt;"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead, for me, was 1989, during the build-up to Gulf War 1.  No buyers&#8211;zip, nada.  I had several clients take their homes off the market.</p>
<p>There are plenty of buyers out there right now, actually.  Our biggest problem has more to do with the lenders.  We sold our last listing in 3 days.</p>
<p>Properly staged, priced, and marketed homes are selling.  See&#8221;<a href="http://socalrealestatenews.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/how-to-sell-your-property-for-top-dollar-in-30-days-in-any-market/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://socalrealestatenews.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/how-to-sell-your-property-for-top-dollar-in-30-days-in-any-market/');" rel="nofollow">How to Sell Your Southern California home for top dollar in 30 days.</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: clemente</title>
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		<dc:creator>clemente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Seriously, it is slow for spring, but it isn’t dead."

OK, so sales down 41.4% isn't dead?  What would qualify as "dead" for you?  Negative 60%?  80%?

Or would it have to be zero sales to be officially dead?

We're in a housing DEPRESSION.  Worst since the 1930's.  So good luck finding the light at the end of the tunnel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Seriously, it is slow for spring, but it isn’t dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, so sales down 41.4% isn&#8217;t dead?  What would qualify as &#8220;dead&#8221; for you?  Negative 60%?  80%?</p>
<p>Or would it have to be zero sales to be officially dead?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in a housing DEPRESSION.  Worst since the 1930&#8217;s.  So good luck finding the light at the end of the tunnel.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Newman and Dave Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Newman and Dave Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clemente,

Good quotes, especially that last one from Dunn.  (I guess most Home Builders are Dunn about now!)

Seriously, it is slow for spring, but it isn't dead.  When everybody was yelling about the terrible January numbers, I was about the only one out there saying, "Hey, part of this is the time of year.  Things will pick up over the next two months."

We've never been shy about this being the normal, seasonal cycle.  See "&lt;a href="http://socalrealestatenews.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/the-annual-so-cal-market-cycle/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Our 2 real estate market cycles&lt;/a&gt;."

We're not out of the woods yet.  But we may be starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Hopefully it's not an oncoming train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clemente,</p>
<p>Good quotes, especially that last one from Dunn.  (I guess most Home Builders are Dunn about now!)</p>
<p>Seriously, it is slow for spring, but it isn&#8217;t dead.  When everybody was yelling about the terrible January numbers, I was about the only one out there saying, &#8220;Hey, part of this is the time of year.  Things will pick up over the next two months.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve never been shy about this being the normal, seasonal cycle.  See &#8220;<a href="http://socalrealestatenews.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/the-annual-so-cal-market-cycle/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://socalrealestatenews.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/the-annual-so-cal-market-cycle/');" rel="nofollow">Our 2 real estate market cycles</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not out of the woods yet.  But we may be starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.</p>
<p>Hopefully it&#8217;s not an oncoming train.</p>
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		<title>By: clemente</title>
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		<dc:creator>clemente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“With the traditional home buying season now well underway, we have not seen the bump in sales activity that we normally would this time of year.”
Sandy Dunn, NAHB president, April 15, 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“With the traditional home buying season now well underway, we have not seen the bump in sales activity that we normally would this time of year.”<br />
Sandy Dunn, NAHB president, April 15, 2008</p>
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		<title>By: clemente</title>
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		<dc:creator>clemente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"[T]here are cases where people as early as 18 to 24 months ago had one value on that property, and as they started to sell it or refinance it, they realize that valuation was 40% below what it was 18 to 24 months ago, and they're walking away from those homes in those markets."
Dowd Ritter, CEO Regions Financial Corp., April 15, 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[T]here are cases where people as early as 18 to 24 months ago had one value on that property, and as they started to sell it or refinance it, they realize that valuation was 40% below what it was 18 to 24 months ago, and they&#8217;re walking away from those homes in those markets.&#8221;<br />
Dowd Ritter, CEO Regions Financial Corp., April 15, 2008</p>
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		<title>By: clemente</title>
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		<dc:creator>clemente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you don’t follow industry best practice of comparing sales and prices to year ago figures in order to control for seasonality?

You compare the 28 or 29 days of February to the 31 days of March? You disregard the fact that March home sales are ALWAYS higher than February home sales?

Nice.

Brain power tour de force!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you don’t follow industry best practice of comparing sales and prices to year ago figures in order to control for seasonality?</p>
<p>You compare the 28 or 29 days of February to the 31 days of March? You disregard the fact that March home sales are ALWAYS higher than February home sales?</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
<p>Brain power tour de force!</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Newman and Dave Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Newman and Dave Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clemente ,

Go directly to the DQ report, &lt;a href="http://www.dqnews.com/News/California/Southern-CA/RRSCA080415.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;the DQ report itself: &lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;em&gt;"A total of 12,808 new and resale houses and condos sold in Los Angeles, Riverside, San Diego, Ventura, San Bernardino and Orange counties in March. That was up 18.8 percent from 10,777 the previous month but down 41.4 percent from 21,856 in March 2007"&lt;/em&gt;

I predicted was that DQ would show that March closings would be up from February closings.  Last time I checked, 12,808 was higher than 10,777.    Weaker than normal, but up nonetheless.

We also predicted year over year would be down--that one would be hard to miss.

As for firming in price, OC's $506k March median was actually up from DQs last 4 week OC reports, which both came in at $500,000.    Again, I believe $506,000 is up from $500,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clemente ,</p>
<p>Go directly to the DQ report, <a href="http://www.dqnews.com/News/California/Southern-CA/RRSCA080415.aspx" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.dqnews.com/News/California/Southern-CA/RRSCA080415.aspx');" rel="nofollow">the DQ report itself: </a>.  <em>&#8220;A total of 12,808 new and resale houses and condos sold in Los Angeles, Riverside, San Diego, Ventura, San Bernardino and Orange counties in March. That was up 18.8 percent from 10,777 the previous month but down 41.4 percent from 21,856 in March 2007&#8243;</em></p>
<p>I predicted was that DQ would show that March closings would be up from February closings.  Last time I checked, 12,808 was higher than 10,777.    Weaker than normal, but up nonetheless.</p>
<p>We also predicted year over year would be down&#8211;that one would be hard to miss.</p>
<p>As for firming in price, OC&#8217;s $506k March median was actually up from DQs last 4 week OC reports, which both came in at $500,000.    Again, I believe $506,000 is up from $500,000.</p>
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