So Cal Real Estate News

Updated late 7/23 with our own concrete region wide projections.

(July 22, 2008) The good news is, according to one formula, Orange County’s home price bottom may be closer than most of us thought.   On the other hand, the same formula projects that prices may still need to fall more than many of us thought.

Nobody really knows for sure, it seems like everyone has a theory about when home prices will hit bottom.

It’s Local

One thing we can be pretty sure about is that the bottom will come at different times in different locations.  We expect prices to bottom last in areas like the Inland Empire and the desert regions, which are more affected by new construction, foreclosures, and the high price of commuting.

Conversely, prices should bottom sooner in Southern California’s Coastal Plane in neighborhoods less impacted by foreclosures, new construction, high gas prices and economic slowdowns.   That might make Orange County a strong candidate for the first Southern California county to hit bottom.

An Interesting Formula

According to the calculations of one Orange County prognosticator, that bottom may only be a few months away.

“Seeking Alfalfa” is a common participant in the Orange County Register’s lively real estate blog, Lansner on Real Estate (linked in our blog roll in the right column).  From what we can tell, he’s got a fair amount of experience in the lending field.  He recently came up with a formula for predicting when the market might bottom, based largely on common underwriting standards for home loans along with median prices and income levels.

What’s nice about Alfalfa’s prediction calculator is you can modify it however you wish.  As he says, it’s “a rule of thumb calculator and should be entered onto an Excel program.”   What’s also nice is that he gave us permission to reproduce it here.

Alfalfa’s basic calculation for Orange County is as follows:

MONTHS TO THE BOTTOM
Household Income: $72,600 Median
Underwriting Ratio: 36% Allowable for Housing
Annual Housing: $26,136
Monthly Housing: $2,178
Loan Constant: 0.005735 Based on FNMA 30 year Fixed Rate Loan, currently about 6.1%
Supportable Loan: $379,773
Down Payment: $75,955 Assume 20% including move-up’s
Supportable Demand: $455,728
Median Price: $500,000
Differential: $44,272
Percentage: 9%
Change Rate Up or Down: -2.9% Varies by Location, make sure to use Current change rates, not Historic
Months to the Bottom: 3

Bottom line: Based on current trends and lender standards, this formula indicates Orange County home prices should bottom after falling another 9%, which should take about three months.

When I first saw this formula, I thought of several objections, but after a while I realized most of my concerns tended to cancel each other out.  Overall, it’s as accurate and logical as anything I’ve seen so far.

Of course, there are lots of variables in the formula that could change over the next three months, from interest rates to household income.  But that’s exactly why we continue to insist that nobody can predict the bottom with absolute certainty.  (See “How low will prices go?“)

Our Current Best “Guestimate”

30% chance:  Bottom this winter:  We  think the bottom will coincide closely with our normal seasonal cycle, which bottoms in December or January for escrows that close in February and are reported by DataQuick in mid March.  (See “Predictions 101: Our 2 market cycles” and “Two big problems with DataQuick’s monthly median price reports.“)

So, instead of calling a price bottom for OC in 3 months, which would be late October, we’d use Alfalfa’s formula plus our take on the annual cycle and push the bottom back to this coming December, which DataSlow will report after those sales close in February.  But they won’t know it’s a bottom until prices start rising in the months following.

If OC actually bottoms this winter, L.A. and Ventura Counties might not be far behind, with San Diego next, then the desert and Inland Empire areas bringing up the rear a year later.  (We’d expect Santa Barbara to actually bottom ahead of the OC.)

The pick-up in sales and multiple bids on REOs indicates that if interest rates don’t go up (a big “if”), current prices may well have corrected enough and OC prices could be bottoming now, which is why we give a 30% chance of a bottom this winter.

The other 70%: There are at least three challenges to a bottom this winter:

1. Inflation pushing interest rates up and reducing affordability.
2. The economic slowdown that we seem to be entering, with major job losses in automotive, construction, finance and real estate.
3. The continuing onslaught of foreclosures and resulting REOs.

40% chance:  Bottom next winter. If the economy stabilizes and foreclosures slow down by year’s end, we could hit a bottom this winter.  This is still the most common pick by most economists–recovery sometime in 2010, and has been consistently for the past year.  We think the recent sharp decline in prices may speed things up.  What would help even more would be a resumption of safe oil drilling offshore and in Alaska, with an excess profits tax being used to spur energy alternatives industries.

Again, we’re talking about the Coastal Plane areas of L.A. Orange and possibly San Diego Counties, with the Inland Empire and desert regions bottoming sometime in the following 14 months.

25% chance:  Bottom later than next winter. Either a lengthy recession, or a bottom late winter of 2010-2011.

5% chance:  Bottom before this winter. The foreclosure relief act and Fannie/Freddie stabelization are steps in the right direction, and the economic stimulus of Bush and Congress compromising on a drilling bill that would finance a “Marshal Program” of energy alternatives, things could pick up immediatly.

What to Do?

We still think market timing shouldn’t be as important as your personal situation in making housing or maybe even investing decisions. (See “What to do when nobody knows what’s next.”)

Sellers: Act now or be prepared to wait–maybe several years.

Buyers: Start saving your down payment (new concept, I know–check out wikipedia or google it) and get your credit in order (another new concept for some of us, but necessary now.) Do your Christmas shopping & card writing now, & see how the economy’s doing in November–it may be time to start writing lowball offers. Or to wait another year.

Just trying to pass on our thoughts and those of others from here on Southern California real estate’s front lines.  We’d love to hear what you think.

I’ve been going back on forth on the bailout bill since it was introduced, but I just finished a phone call that’s got me jumping onto the pro-bailout bandwagon.

I just got off the phone with an efficient but polite collections representative folks at legendary sub-prime EMC Mortgage. We were discussing a “short sale,” which is anything but short. Basically, it’s the sale of an “upside down” (over encumbered) property where the lender takes a reduced or “short” payoff to enable the sale. The seller is a client of ours, and reflecting on her situation gave me a renewed desire to see at least the core parts of the bill passed.

This borrower is now upside down due to both market declines and negative amortization. A change in her family situation has created major challenges, and there’s no way she’ll be able to make her payment once massive scheduled payment reset kick in down the road.

When she first called me a few months back, I referred her to “Trouble making your mortgage payment? 7 ways to get back on track.” I suggested she review that post, then contact her lender to try to work out a waiver of the negative amortization and reduction of her interest rate. After about two months, EMC told her they weren’t interested.

It seemed like EMC was just too busy dealing with people whose loans had already reset. They didn’t want to deal with borrowers whose reset is still months away. They basically told her they’d talk to her then, but she felt that if they wouldn’t make a commitment to reduce the principal balance and interest rate now, she’d be better off biting the bullet sooner than later.

That’s when we started on the short sale. Despite another short sale listing across the street and a new REO listing a few houses away, we now have a buyer in escrow and are awaiting approval from EMC Mortgage’s loss mitigation department.

Were the Mortgage Relief Bill already in place, I’m pretty sure the owner would have been able to keep her home, we’d have one less listing in a saturated market, and EMC’s loss would be lessened, and the home owner’s equity increased. Pretty much a “win” all the way around.

Under the provisions of the Mortgage Relief Bill, as I understand them, if EMC accepted a write-down of the loan to 97% of current market value, FHA would insure a refinance with at least 3% equity if the borrower actually qualified, which I’m pretty sure would be the case in this situation.

Some people oppose the “bailout” bill because they feel like it rewards greedy lenders and imprudent borrowers. In this case, however, the lender would still have to write down at least $100,000. The homeowner, a hard-working, honest first-time buyer who trusted her lender too much, has lost her original equity and has certainly learned from her mistake.

However, the bigger issue isn’t helping undeserving borrowers & homeowners, but cutting back on the oncoming wave of foreclosures to help our economy by stabilizing home prices and keeping more banks solvent.

Some have suggested that private initiatives could do the same. They might to some extent, but they sure haven’t helped any of the upside down sellers I’ve worked with so far. The truth is, the bailout bill itself is significantly limited in how many homeowners it would help.

From where I sit, on the front lines of the market crash, it sure looks like it will take both private and government assistance to get us out of this hole, or at least keep us falling into one unseen since the Great Depression.

The increase in sales indicates prices have fallen to a reasonably affordable level. But the oncoming wave of foreclosures is apt to drive prices even lower, resulting in even more foreclosures and a spiral downward only compounded by energy, interest, inflation, and manufacturing woes.

We’re all in the same boat, & I’m not in favor of letting it sink just because someone else kicked a hole in the bottom. Sometimes even the “innocent” have to help bail out the boat! Private and government initiatives alike.

I’m not in favor of bailing out anyone who can’t qualify for the new loan. No more “liar loans,” please! If I understand this bailout bill correctly, the FHA would only loan to homeowners who could qualify.

In this specific case, what my seller was trying to negotiate with EMC was similar to what the bailout’s proposing. I’m sure she’d make it work if her principal balance was down to 3% below market instead of $100,000 over market and if she had a fixed FHA loan at say 6.25% instead of an adjustable about to adjust to 13%.

There’s plenty not to like about the govt. bail out, but the basic concept of the lender writing the loan down to a little below market value in return for FHA rewriting the loan if the buyer qualifies should reduce the foreclosure onslaught somewhat. I think the Senate tends to produce better law then the House, and they did some significant changes from Barney Frank’s original bill. They got more of it right than I expected.

We’ve seen a price correction around 25%, which is enough to bring buyers back even in such a negative environment. If it weren’t for all the additional REOs in the pipeline we’d probably be nearing a price bottom, based on current activity.

But the decline of an additional 25% that some people are predicting due to the REO problem would trigger a whole new round of foreclosures–a downward spiral of doom that could be worse than the Great Depression. That would cost FHA and taxpayers more than reducing the flood by guaranteeing some loans to stem the tide somewhat.

To me, it looks like a “pay me now, or pay me later” sort of thing, regardless of whose fault it is.  And there’s plenty of blame to go around, believe me! (see “How we got into this mess“)

“The nation is in the throes of a housing downturn that is shaping up to be the worst in a generation,” according to Harvard’s State of the Nation’s Housing report, released Monday.

“The slump in housing markets has not yet run its full course,” according to Nicolas P. Retsinas, the director of Harvard’s Joint Center for Housing Studies. “Mortgage rates have barely responded to the aggressive easing of the Federal Reserve, the supply of for-sale vacant units continues to grow, and much tighter underwriting is locking many would-be home buyers out of the market.”

This is pretty much old news, but it’s a pretty accurate summary of what’s been going on both nationally and here in Southern California. Looking ahead, Retsinas says, “At some point demand will bounce back. Historically, housing markets recover only after the economy has entered a recession and a combination of falling mortgage interest rates and house prices have improved housing affordability. It is difficult to judge how far away from these conditions we may be.”

We certainly agree with that last statement, as we’ve been saying since last November (see “How low will prices go?“). However, we think the significant drop in Southern California home prices coupled with a moderately strong local economy and lack of overbuilding in the coastal plain may well lead to a recovery beginning in the next 6 to 20 months.

For more details, see Harvard’s press release, for the full report, click HERE.

Remember, real estate is local, and projections for your neighborhood may vary, even if Harvard is correct. To see our latest projections post, check out So Cal home price bottom near?

Last night Barb, Nate, & I went to see Ben Stein’s new movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. It’s a wry, stark, and thought-provoking semi-documentary look at how closed-minded our scientific and educational establishment has become about alternatives to neo-Darwinism.

Maybe closed-mindedness is the default setting of humankind. Something we all have to fight against. I see it all the time in the real estate world. Potential sellers call me, supposedly to find out what the current market value is of their home. Often after I review the data and explain my professional opinion, they proceed to tell me how wrong I am.

“OK,” I think. “Why exactly did you ask me to do the research if you already knew the answer?” Actually, it’s simple. They wanted me to confirm what they thought they already knew. Maybe to show the spouse how wrong he/she was. Combination of pride and self-interest. (See reason #1 of “5 reasons NOT to pick a listing agent” for more on this.) “I made up my mind; don’t bother me with the facts.”

Somehow, it seems that this human bent towards closed-mindedness is often more pronounced in those who are in positions of authority. (For examples, consider Washington, D.C., Sacramento, or, most likely, your boss.) Truly successful leaders must fight hard to keep an open mind. Because power and closed-mindedness is a very dangerous combination (see Adolf Hitler, Vietnam War, or sub-prime lending).

Well, according to Ben’s new movie, an extreme version of that sort of closed mindedness has invaded much of the scientific community. Not just “I made up my mind. . . ” but “I made up my mind & yours too!”

Closed mindedness to the point where even mentioning an opposing viewpoint can get a professor fired. Talk about “academic freedom.”

A very thought provoking movie, with a little of Stein’s wry humor thrown in. I highly recommend it. Click here and insert your zip code for showtimes.

And keep an open mind.

Over 30 years of selling property has shown us that selecting the right agent may be the single most important step to a successful sale or purchase.

Unfortunately, experience also has shown us that most sellers pick their agents for the wrong reasons, and they pay a huge price for that mistake.

Yesterday, we listed 5 of the most common mistakes sellers make in choosing an agent. Today we’ll identify the top 5, starting with one we’ve seen a lot of in the last two years, picking their agent based on:

5. Past performance as a buyers’ agent, in an easier market, or in another area. These might be good reasons to consider an agent, but they don’t prove anything about selling your property in today’s market. We could give dozens of examples from our experiences, but we’ll settle for just one, from baseball:

Just because Tim Salmon played great outfield for the Angels three years ago doesn’t mean he can play shortstop for them today. Let alone Center for the Lakers. Get the picture?

4. “She works my neighborhood.” This is called “farming,” and we do it ourselves. It’s a good way to get to know a neighborhood over time. But the number of notepads left on your porch or postcards mailed to your home proves neither competence nor integrity.

Until the agent’s been “farming” your neighborhood for at least four years, it proves nothing. In this market, you’d need to go back 17 years to get to the last major downturn!

Even with 17 years experience, you’d still want to investigate track record, and speak with sellers who’ve worked with him or her. The fliers or postcards may only tell half the story.

“Neighborhood specialists,” or “listing farmers” are like preachers, car salesmen, or Realtors as a whole. Some are ethical, competent, and diligent, but many others are not.

3. Lots of sales. This could be good or bad, but it raises a red flag. Most high volume agents operate with what they euphemistically call a “team,” which can also be good or bad.

We have a team–Dave, Blair, a transaction coordinator who is shared with several other agents, and a number of affiliates from escrow officer to termite inspector who are the best we can find. But other teams consist of several licensed and unlicensed assistants who pretty much do all the work for the named agent. You often never see the “superstar #1 agent” again after you’ve signed the listing.

At one seminar I recently heard the superstar speaker describe running into some poor seller of his in an airport. The superstar had “sold” his home a few months earlier, and he was actually bragging to us that this was the first time he’d ever actually met his “client.”

One more true story. A few years ago, the buyer for one of our listings was represented by one of those superstar top producers. When it came time for the walk-through I showed up to keep an eye on things. When the buyers came to the door (alone), I introduced myself as the listing agent. The buyer literally hugged me! “Oh my God! A real, licensed agent–not just an assistant!” she exclaimed. “We haven’t spoken with one since we signed the purchase contract seven weeks ago.”

Turns out, everything had been handled by unlicensed “assistants,” which were pretty much part-time kids. We’ve seen the same thing with sellers. They were “working” with top producing agents, but they rarely saw them, and weren’t happy campers.

2. Great listing packet or presentation. This doesn’t prove anything, either. Just because a politician’s a great campaigner with good commercials doesn’t mean he or she will make a good president or governor. It probably just means they bought a good listing presentation software package.  To get an idea of what they actually do, take them to your computer and ask them to pull up their listings on the web.  Read the remarks, check out the pictures, see how complete the data is.  Then ask to see the web sites for their current listings.  (For comparison, Blair and I buy a separate, appropriate internet “domain” name for each listing and then shoot our own virtual tour.  For example, check out LosAlDreamHome.com, which we shot July 24, 2008.

In fact, most agents know they can easily get any listing if they dress nice, are friendly, have a persuasive presentation and, most important if he or she . . .

1. Tells you what you want to hear. Works every time, and most agents know it. There are even terms for it in the business. When an agent tells you what you want to hear about price, it’s called “buying the listing.” Happens all the time–then the listing sits for months while the agent tries to get a price reduction. Worked in ’04’s up market, but not today!

Sellers have words for it, too. “Great rapport!” “We felt so good about her!” “We just really clicked!” “She was so bubbly!”

It’s kind of like interviewing three doctors about your medical condition, then going with the one who tells you every thing’s fine. Tempting, but not real smart. Better to go with the best doctor, regardless of whether you like with his diagnosis or not.

Telling you what you want to hear (instead of the truth) is amazingly effective. It appeals to the sellers’ pride as well as to their wishful thinking. Kind of like flattering them while promising to make their dreams come true. Not that different from how most politicians operate, and you know how good they are at keeping their promises.

If two people agree on everything, one of them is not necessary. If an agent agrees with you too much, they’re either lying or incompetent, or you don’t need an agent at all. It’s probably one of the first two.

You need an agent who knows and tells you the truth. I remember telling an older seller who was “interviewing” us that they really needed to remove the velvet flocked red wallpaper they loved. I knew they didn’t want to hear it, but it was the truth. A few days later I got the call. “Dave, we decided to go with Suzy Q. We just had such great rapport, and she really loved our decorating.” Guess I’m glad somebody did.

If you want to feel good, go find a friend. But if you want to sell your house for top dollar in any market, especially today, go find an honest, experienced, diligent agent who will tell you the truth.

If you missed the first half of this post, just click here for numbers 6 - 10 of the most common mistakes sellers make in choosing an agent.

In our last post we explained why we agree with Freddie Mac’s chief economist, Frank Northaft that “We just don’t know [when the market will hit bottom or how low prices will drop] because we’re in totally uncharted territory.”

As if to illustrate our point, since we wrote that we’ve seen huge swings in stocks as Federal Reserve leaders twice surprised the markets with supposedly clear indications they intend to further reduce rates.

Now, as promised, we tackle the logical next question of what buyers and sellers should do in such an uncertain situation.

The key is to base your decision making primarily on what you know, not on speculation about market trends. Market timing is nice, but it’s highly speculative and subject to surprises from the Feds, politicians, consumers, other nations, and even terrorist attacks. Instead of trying to precisely time the market, figure out what you really want or need and brainstorm options, work, & wait until you find an acceptable solution.

As my mortgage broker once told me when I was trying to time the interest rate market in locking a loan, “if the loan works at the current rate, go ahead & take it. ” In other words, don’t gamble on something that works. As my mother used to say, “A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.”

This approach usually works with buying, if 3 conditions are met:

1. You’re planning to live in the home for a long time, 5 - 10 years.

2. You’re buying with a loan that’s fixed for at least 10 - 15 years.

3. You’ve got fairly stable income.

If it works, do it. The better it works, the more you should do it. Especially if you like the location and the floorplan. After all, location is the one thing you can’t change, condition is the easiest thing to change.

The same goes for selling. If you can sell & move up to your dream home at today’s prices, don’t roll the dice on prices going up. Especially any time soon. A year from now you may wish you’d sold today. What your neighbor got two years ago is irrelevent–the question is, will today’s price work for you?

For those of us who are people of faith, we’d add in prayer. God is the only one who does know what the future holds, but he’s also a lot more concerned about our character than our money. (Actually God’s the only one with a perfect perspective on money, too.)

King Solomon was the wisest and richest monarch of his day and he said it well: “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and don’t rely on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths.” (Proverbs 3:5,6) That worked almost 3,000 years ago, & it still works today.

The Wall Street Journal released their quartlerly survey of housing-market conditions in 28 major U.S. metropolitan areas today, along with an analysis that’s rings true with what we’re seeing throughout our region.

 The article’s title pretty much sums it up:  “With Buyers Sidelined, Home Prices Slide.”  The survey itself reveals that what we’re experiencing locally is being repeated across the country, with some areas doing worse than us but more areas doing better. 

To see the complete article and the survey results, just click here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119326355265670448.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

We love Southern California, we love real estate, and we also love to write. So we’ve been writing about the Southern California real estate market since 1980. Through this blog we can now deliver our thoughts, perspective, and insights at the speed of light. Even better, now you can add your thoughts, insights and questions too.

Who are we? Well, we’re both native Southern Californians, SoCal homeowners, and Realtors ™ who have also served as professional educators.

Dave Emerson, the lead writer, grew up in Lakewood, CA, graduated from UCLA back when their football teams didn’t routinely lose to unranked teams, and currently live in Los Alamitos. He’s an investor who owns dozens of local rental units, primarily in Long Beach, and he’s been #1 in sales out of 500 agents in his company seven different years and has been elected “Agent of the Year” by his peers 4 times.

Blair Newman has the perspective of a younger generation. He has helped dozens of his friends and clients buy and sell property, and is a member of Prudential California’s “Cutting Edge Society,” putting him in the top 15% of all agents. He graduated from Biola University in La Mirada, then lived in Anaheim until buying his present home in Lakewood.

Over the years, we’ve sold homes everywhere from the San Fernando Valley to Orange County. We specialize in Southeast Los Angeles County (Long Beach, Lakewood, Norwalk, etc.) and West Orange County (Los Alamitos, Rossmoor, Cypress, Garden Grove, etc.).

Over the years we’ve developed contacts in most So Cal areas we don’t service ourselves. We’re excited about finding this fast, interactive way to share our perspective on what we see going on every day in the So Cal Real Estate Market.

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